love the closing statement “it’s about the ability blindly following any commandment that ‘god’ has given”. VERY accurate with mormonism
That’s what cults do to weed out free thinkers. They come up with an inane rule like “you can’t eat peas on weekdays” just to see who will blindly obey and who will question the logic behind it. They immediately haze out the ones who question the no peas rule because that means they won’t adhere to the more serious doctrine e.g. giving 10% of their earnings to the institution. It’s the same thing with coffee in the Mormon Church, there’s no specific reason for it they just want to ensure their followers will blindly obey the Church’s rules no matter how illogical they sound. That’s how they control people.
Exmo here. When I brought up the “blindly follow rules” thing… I got the “If you can’t follow this simple rule, then God won’t trust you to do more complicated things.” 😂 Okay.
The guilt that lifted off my shoulders when I left the lds church. I now have a cup of coffee while reading the Bible in the morning without feeling this overwhelming guilt.
I was in boy scouts in the 80s when the church invested in coke. That year coke sponsored the scout o Rama, I think it was called?? A big scout camp that included a bunch of dens. There was free coke and coke advertising everywhere. I was confused because I had always been taught caffeine was bad so I asked. I was told only hot caffeine drinks were bad. I was so confused by that and it's one of the things that made me start to question what I was being told. Lies within lies.
It was a tit for tat. When the relief society (Emma Smith), said no more to alcohol and tobacco (they were tired of cleaning up after the elders), the elders complained to Joseph that if they couldn’t have alcohol and tobacco, the women should lose tea and coffee.
Back in the early 1970’s I was taking classes about the LDS faith, thinking about joining. At one point in the missionary’s lessons they tried to talk me into posthumous baptism. I declined saying my family had all been baptized already. They then informed me that unless they were LDS baptized I wouldn’t see them, as apparently the LDS have their own portion of Heaven. My 17 year old self was angered. I stood up, said “If I can’t see my family in Heaven then I’m not going!” And I walked out and away from the whole thing.
When i was mormon, everyone had a different reason as to why we couldn't drink coffee. Even when non members asked me, I'd be like "Idk tbh, I'm not even sure the prophet knows, haha. " ... then people would ask who the prophet is and it'd get awkward.
"Hey, God, can I have a coffee?" "No. Well... maybe. Have tea. No, wait. No. Have... * sigh * What temperature is the coffee? Is it decaf? Ugh. I wish you hadn't asked me this. Next time--and don't tell anyone I said this--but next time, just drink the coffee and don't tell me. OK?"
Granny aged woman here. Your hair is stunning. 😊 So glossy - spun silk! I love your final thoughts about Mormonism and religion in general. One’s ability to follow blindly is a perfect summation of why religion can be so dangerous.
This feel like in Animal Farm when they change the rule from "no animal shall sleep in a bed" to "no animal shall sleep in a bed WITH SHEETS" and gaslit everyone into thinking that's what it always said.
You do such a great job. The LDS church seems to be intent on being as mysterious and as exclusionary as possible. When you shine a little light into that black box, it is a good thing.
I love your videos, Alyssa. Keep preaching the truth! It's so nice to see a sophisticated, classy woman talking about how toxic this religion is.
This was made abundantly clean to me when my sis’s doctor highly encouraged her to drink a cup of drip coffee a day and he could write a note to her bishop. We were at a consult for her to get a liver transplant, so it’s wasn’t just a “a glass of red wine during dinner for heart health” kind of situation. My sis and I are inactive, but my mom was at the appt and had talked to the dr about church stuff (We’re in SLC, 20 minutes away from the church headquarters, so that’s par for the course.) I thought it was sweet of the dr to offer, and he included caveats - no sugar, cream, instant mixes; as straight from the bean to your mouth as you could get it. But I remember thinking that it was weird that the church would discourage its people from drinking something that he was praising for its liver benefits and admitted to drinking himself.
exmo here, crazy how even my mom and grandma can have 3 large diet cokes a day and act like everything is fine. as someone that prefers coffee over diet coke, i will never understand how people are able to consume so much soda and not feel sick.
It was changed when the LDS became a large share holder in Coke
The random rules really indicate what a bunch of crap it is
It's also about creating post-hoc exemptions for people the organization values more. A normal person would've lost their temple recommend
An arbitrary rule, certainly. There's more to it than that actually. Joseph "the grifter" Smith made up the Word of Wisdom in an era where things like coffee, tea, alcohol and tobacco were luxury items...which...cut into members' ability to tithe. Tithing in that time period was more of a "suggestion", than a sin which would cause one to be "burnt as stubble" in the last days, for failing to ante up.
@Austden